3 Laws that Endanger Motorcycle Riders

Publisert 29. nov.. 2020
No surprise to anyone paying attention but it’s not all rainbows and sunshine when it comes to laws and motorcycles. Do some traffic laws actively increase your risk factor instead of minimizing it?

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  • To answer some common questions on the first one: Crashing due to failure to turn your ABS back ON requires a rider to: 1.) Disable it in the first place, which beginners rarely do. 2.) Forget one’s settings when rejoining the pavement, despite the obvious visual and tactile reminders that the surface has changed. 3.) Fail to notice the bright orange (ABS) light on the dash, which is another (more sensible) requirement of UNGTR 3 whenever ABS is disabled. And 4.) apply the brakes poorly enough to crash. All this requires a level of incompetence so high that it is actually less common. On the flip side, crashing due to failure to turn your ABS back OFF is easy. Off-roaders stop their bikes all the time - to consult a map, to chat with other riders, or simply because they stalled or tipped over. It’s common to quickly restart the bike and forget that ABS has automatically re-armed itself. There are no external reminders because the riding surface hasn’t changed, and the dash warning lights are now unlit (off-roaders rarely look at the dash anyway, since they are typically standing). On top of all this, no amount of braking skill can prevent a crash when ABS is working against you. My conclusion is that the law is poor, because it serves an unlikely level of incompetence at the cost of causing averagely-competent riders to crash. Most ADV folks will tell you that it has happened to them. Bear in mind that this does not affect the vast majority of motorcycles, which do not have switchable ABS in the first place. ~RF9

    • @Graeme Wilde you should learn to ride a motorcycle off road in the dirt before you ever even think about riding on the road. This will teach you how to brake properly without abs. And if abs was an option instead of mandatory maybe save some of us some money on new bikes

    • @Sean Ahearne the very reason all my bikes are pre abs and always will be or abs deleted. I have been riding since 1969 and have never needed abs.

    • @W4TT5 wait, what ? Harley Davidson doesn't make an mc that small. So everyone should buy a Japanese bike for their first mc? I've worked in Harley dealerships for over 25 yrs and I always tell people who say I've never ridden a street bike before so I want a sportster they are wrong. First thing is get some training on street bikes it's cheap and only a couple weekends. Then if you buy a small bike you will out grow it buy the end of the summer then your looking to trade your depreciated mc on something bigger. I've started many riders on dynas and softails.

    • All you " professional" riders out there talking about how bad anti-lock brakes being a bad thing are ridiculous, including the idiot that made this video. Do you even know how abs works ? You could never pump the breaks even half as many times per second. If you're such a great rider how come you can't remember the functions of your motorcycle? I mean how hard is it to push a button. My truck turns on traction control every time I turn the truck on, first thing I do every time I turn the key is push the button to turn it off. I can't turn the abs off on my motorcycle nor would I if I could. If you can't remember to turn it off on your dual sport then you belong on an off road only

    • I train hundreds of riders from beginner right through to track school…. I mention 👈🏻 because I’m more experienced than the “average” rider. I’m with you on this. A lot of laws don’t actually look at the _real_ consequences of their laws.

  • Super Dave Osborne part deux

  • Informative and entertaining as always! This is my favorite channel. Each subject has been very well thought out.. Always a pleasure. Thanks.

  • Operator error. That's all.

  • dude, I wish I paid more attention in physics 3 in college! haha you are awesomely smart, and incredibly funny!!

  • On the other hand, in the right curve, if ONCOMING traffic goes wide, it goes off the road. In a left curve, if ONCOMING traffic goes wide, that a potential head-on collision for me.

  • When it comes to the safety or danger of lane filtering... how quickly you dismiss just how disgustingly petty people are. I assure... NO , PROMISE you that if they made lane filtering legal in the midwest there would be such a rise in aggravated assaults it would defy all logic.

  • "My conclusion is that the law is poor, because it serves an unlikely level of incompetence at the cost of causing averagely-competent riders to crash." Finally someone who shares my point of view...laws should not encourage incompetece, and make life easier for incompetent drivers. It should be focused on logic and focus, and on teaching incompetent drivers to adapt and advance in their logical thinking to the extent they can follow. Those who can't reach some level of competence should not even be allowed to drive at all.

  • 3:11 In my experience (in the US) letting the bikes filter to the head of the line makes for even more of a traffic jam, as they're usually the slowest vehicle on the road - slowest to pull away, slowest to accelerate, etc. If they got moving and got themselves some distance from the main pack, all well and good (which is how it used to be in Australia when I was a kid), but when they're a mobile traffic jam unto themselves, it's not wonder people don't want them getting ahead and forcing everyone else down to their slow pace.

  • You make too much sense. No sane person would ride a bike here in NJ anyway. Lane splitting... line dancing... or filtering. Whatever... in NJ that infuriates the morons trapped in their cages and motivates them to actually try to run you down. The whole antilock brake thing for me is moot. My old Harley is a 1978... my new one is 2006. I will say I would like to have it on the 06 FLH since it immediately tries to swap ends with any aggressive need for brake application. You really need to be well skilled at sliding sideways. Id rather be perfectly comfortable sliding than to have computer nannies jumping in to protect me from my foolishness. That also means having the mental discipline to keep driving until the vehicle stops or the risk is avoided. Most average drivers in general drive straight into crashes they could have easily avoided by continuing to drive.... white knuckling into a stopped car with their eyes bugged out. Instead of driving through.. Often the slide is not slowing the bike fast enough... and being sideways isnt going to fit between two obstacles... It may well be easy to release the brakes and straighten out going straight through... but once your no longer operating and are instead sliding frozen in a panic stop...broken legs might be in your future.

  • By some strange coincidence, this is the third video in a row I've watched that featured a BMW model GS. Maybe the universe is trying to tell me something.

  • Holy sh- 2:39

  • People that drive boxes can't think outside of them.... well shit that's an astute statement.

  • A Bike Song from Germany @

  • "Like american politics, left and right are both undesirable, but going doing down the middle isn't an option" I really like this channel

  • I love splitting lanes in California. Too many cars camped in the left lane creating rolling roadblocks that clog up traffic flow, and getting around the oblivious driver just feels safer.

  • I didn't get a motorcycle to be careful.

  • when riding in traffic on a faster road and cars suddenly stop in front of you.....brake and slalom gently back and forth while coming to a stop....more aggressively if on a high speed highway............this has to do with how we see. The human eye is attracted to movement. It is difficult (not impossible) to judge speed and movement while looking down the singular line you are traveling with other vehicles. It just takes a better eye and more attention. On the other hand, it is VERY easy to notice movement that travels left and right of your path of travel "field of view". This wagging back and forth is more likely to gain the attention of the vehicle approaching you from the rear. obviously you should be checking your mirrors to see if it works while also looking for an escape route between traffic in front of you.

  • Damn, the right turn thing makes so much sense. Like I am having flash backs. Best advice I've heard in a long time.

  • Try to ride in Sao Paulo, Brazil without filtering is impossible, the traffic obligates you to do it, but here in Canada (even in Toronto) I never get enough traffic that justifies do filtering.

  • Its a law that cyclists cannot turn right? If not then what is the last law?

  • If you know how to brake, you'll never need abs.

  • Hi Ryan. Do you have a study of your own regarding filtering and lane splitting? I wish to include them/it in my masteral thesis as a reference. I hope we can correspond. I hope to hear from you soon. - fjsl

  • Sounds like a better prime minister...

  • In Ireland filtering is legal so don't really no how you feel

  • Lane filtering is legal in California, thank god!

  • Filtering is now legal in Utah, but the cars must be stopped, and the speed limit can't be higher than 55 (a bummer on Mountain View Corridor). I've only had one old grump try to block me so far.

  • 6:20 My man so scared of right hand turns he turns left to go right.

  • You will never convince me that lane filtering is anything but asking to get killed. Taking any risk is like playing Craps-- the more times you roll those dice, the more chance you'll end up crapping out. Sitting in traffic at a stop is one roll of the dice-- you might get rear ended. But when you filter you are rolling the dice for every car you pass. More chances someone changes lanes, opens a door to pour out their drink, stick their arm out the window, flick a cigarette......Roll after roll of the dice for what? So you can be 50 feet further up the road at a light? And then what? Have to accelerate harder to basically drag race the cars into a proper lane past the intersection. I also don't give a damn how long the traffic line is- that is a matter for city planners and Dept of Transportation. That is not the riders' responsibility and it's just another lame excuse for making a pointless and dangerous decision. DoT isn't handing out trophies in the hospital because you saved 8 feet of space in a line of 50 cars. That is a non-sequitur. Roll those dice if you want...but don't try to pitch it as safer or tell bikers that it's their responsibility to make traffic lines a couple feet shorter.

  • What brown shoes were those?

  • only owned one bike with ABS, made sure to test it out at every chance before disarming it permanently... braided stainless lines. could not stand the squishy feel of metres of brake line, or having some silly device having its say on what was happening. of course, it also only lasted 3 months or 17,000km before one of its three factory recall failures caused it to seize its engine... *only rides bikes over 20yrs old now* and sorry, here in australia where we ride on the other side, i still always feel sketchy doing right hand turns, has nothing to do with turning radii. personally i think its because of having one hand always holding the THROTTLE.

  • The law of gravity, the law of momentum, and pretty much any of Murphy's laws come to mind.

  • Filtering is legal in New Zealand .. the problem is convincing car drivers

  • When you think you're going to simply watch a review/commentary video and you get.... real world life lessons ala 5:49 to end

  • When you think you're going to simply watch a review/commentary video and you get.... life lessons

  • I also dont like ABS on cars, they only help you not to spin out, but they greatly expand brake distance

  • I always lane filter at low speeds, i dont really know if its legal where i live, to be frank i dont really care, im not about to let people that has never stepped on a bike tell me how im safer, i much rather fall at 10 kmh than be crushed by the endless wave of normies that cant hold their attention span for more than 5 minutes, totally agree with Ryan.

  • By far my favorite youtube channel. Nice video boss

  • lmao the left and right are like american politics, both undesirable.... and im American laughing at this joke... lmfaoooooo FML

  • Been riding for over 50years, the only ABS I’ve ever needed is my two fingers on my right hand. The only law that matters is the law of survival.

  • Great video as always!

  • Just improve the training instead of legislating for the weakest denominator. I hate ABS.

  • Lemme get this straight. If my left is your right and your left is my right then neither one of us can turn either way, right?

  • That’s the one and only good thing with California is legal in splitting. I still can’t figure out why other states don’t allow it

  • First I've heard of lane filtering vs lane splitting - makes a lot of sense though.

  • BMW enduro pro mode keeps rear abs off all the time.

  • 3:02 PRIMITIVE COUNTRYS.....? IMBECIL

  • I laugh. I learn. It’s a good arrangement.

  • I completely agree and wish everyone would watch this video...especially politicians that write such nonsensical laws.

  • While taking my motorcycle license, we had to do figure 8s on the practice course, which was basically learning how to turn around on a two lane road. Doing it to the left was easy, but I had a hard time turning around right between the lines. My instructor told me it happens to nearly everyone, and it’s almost always to the right.

  • Except when traffic is stopped, and lets cross traffic move..and some twit rides between the stopped cars and hits the crossing traffic.

  • Hmm, not what I was expecting at all! What was I expecting? 1. Stupidity, 2. Arrogance, 3. European bike prices. Aka, The law of diminishing returns.

  • Thankfully in Florida a law did not pass that required all motorcycles to have sear belts, I believe it was in the late 1970s.

  • They should allow lane filtering in Canada. There would be less traffic and pollution if more and more people ride a bike and something like lane filtering is allowed.

  • Watching your videos makes me wanna get a bike but watching your videos also makes me not wanna get a bike. I am conflicted

  • In Germany if a driver fails to yield to a motorcycle then the driver pays the bill for the bike, lost wages, etc. People should respect the law rather than argue for publicity.

  •   for Belgium what does this mean? nowine.info/loft/g3usnJPHnbmojpg/video

  • Im glad cali is cool with filtering however even if it wasn't id still filter and take the ticket rather then some idiot take my life

  • Filtering or splitting in my experience is similar to starting a free for all on riders. People opening doors, turning the car to push you into another car, the list goes on. People can't get past the "me first" mentality and it truly starts a road rage scenario. Dangerous behavior that can seriously hurt a rider. Very unfortunate we can't get past that and improve traffic flow.

  • Always perfectly succinct.

  • no right hand curves are not more dangerous, uneducated poor driving is more dangerous, if someone is to damn stupid to slow down then they deserve the prize they are about to win. the UNIVERSAL SOLUTION is to damn well slow down and ride and drive using common since and respect for other motorists. and yes thats my mind set every time i get on my bike or get in my suv.

  • Shall we list all of the ways we all know that in the U. S. And Canada “safety” is the word used, for “Control”. Not one politician cares about your life but once they get into office they are taught by their varsity members that control, will keep them in office.

  • no need for abs when your brakes are too bad to lock up anyway

  • These videos are pure art

  • Hey I am that septuagenarian you are talking about and have just bought myself a 100HP Indian Scout, a bit more respect for the old farts please

  • Hmm since we can’t turn right, is that why NASCAR became so popular in the 90s? 🤔

  • filtering and splitting both suck. Splitting is allowed in California and it’s a nightmare.

  • The biggest issue that “endangers motorcyclists lives”, is the motorcyclist, himself/herself. Remember, you’re just one mistake away from death/head injury. You think your helmet will protect you from that? Wrong. I was wearing a top shelf (at the time) icon helmet. I STILL got a head injury.

  • But just two questions, wouldn't filtering also result in multiple vehicles trying to get in front of the other one the lights go from red to green? And on top of that would that not be lane splitting one all 3 vehicles are at 30kmh?

  • Here in Brazil we call lane filtering as "the corridor", where bikes can filter our very heavy transit. They are fairly secure, most of our bikes accidents occur when cars hit bikes from behind, not on the "corridor" where the most dangerous event is smash someone's mirror. There's no purpose to ride a bike in cities if one cannot do the lane filtering.

  • Yet again, being less of a dumbass helps exponentially. Don't play russian roulette on the road. threading the needle between cars in traffic jams at top speed is high handed stupidity.

  • Funny, filtering is exactly the reason that motivated me to learn how to ride a motorcycle. Daily trafic jam after work decreased my will to drive a car. I honestly thought it was legal and common practice everywhere (from Belgium btw)

  • I would argue that 'the more conscientious(?)' rider will know/remember that their motorcycle's settings reset to default every on/off cycle. It's the idiots that we need to protect from themselves, not the autonomously aware. :)

  • Lane filtering is inherently dangerous. The biker is always in someone’s blind spot. Keep it illegal everywhere.

  • I’m so glad filtering is legal in the UK

  • Lane filtering is a fancy phrase for trying to squeeze by. That's how riders get crippled.

  • I cringed so hard as soon as the footage around 2:50 started. It took about a nanosecond to predict that was going to go wrong..

  • I rented a car that had quite aggressive lane assisting feature which was completely out of whack in January when the roads were full of snow, so I disabled it. And on the next leg, realized that the F'ing thing had turned itself back on, causing another near-accident. I mean, really. If I turn something off, it should stay off until I say so. Anything else is unexpected behavior and will result in surprises; at worst, accidents.

  • So glad I ride in Japan

  • Just be more careful.......Well......Err.......Ummmm.........I suppose......

  • Lane splitters are douche bags. If you are a newer rider don't lane split. There are so many ways to die from it and it just pisses people off.

  • The US doesn't want Lane Filtering legislation because they want everyone to purchase cars it's more more in the governments pocket. There pushing to eliminate Motorcycle Riders completely

  • Two great reasons to be in California. Lane splitting and right turns on red lights.

  • i think its common knowledge that you cant lane filter only because all the car drivers get pissed off about it, even though it is in the best interest of everyone involved

  • il always take left hand turns faster because I would rather go into a tree any day of the week than an oncoming car

  • Lane splitting is perfectly legal here in Belgium

  • Next time I ride, I am going to map out a route that only does left turns.

  • “People who drive boxes can’t think outside of them” 😂😂

  • The last fact also occurs with truck drivers. A lot of truck drivers will brake while they are in the turn instead of braking before it which often leads to one tire poping.

  • We have filtering in Budapest, the only problem when the scooters do it😂

  • That Zoolander turn at the end.

  • About that turning right is riskier than turning left statement: I've always lived in countries where we drive on the left, with oncoming traffic passing by to the right so that as you say in the video the statistics in 'tea-sipping' countries should mirror the statistics of countries driving on the right. However, like the majority of humanity, I'm right handed and taking a bend to the right has always been a bit more 'awkward' than taking a bend to the left. For me, that's true both in the car and on the bike. Friends have from time to time commented the same when the subject has come up. Are there any studies that indicate which handedness those riders that crashed were? I think that handedness and the consequent awkwardness plays a role in the creation of the statistic. I'm wondering if the crashes to the left in countries that drive on the left will be as high as they are for crashes to the right in countries where one drives on the right. I'm expecting that they'll be lower...

  • Really don't understand why lane filtering is illegal... Every vehicle less in a traffic jam is a good thing. And by promoting motorcycle use through this benefit, that's even less cars in traffic... Double win for the car driver

  • Yo what shoes do you wear in the opening shot??

  • Tea sippers! Lol!

  • Yeah. And Canadian politics is ALL LEFT now. How's that working out for ya?! Gun confiscation, churches burning, Trudeau, etc. But I like your content, despite the condescending, pseudo intellectual attitude.

  • 2:54 not in the UK... is a highway code rule is to filter... Move here lol; like the videos J

  • "OH Shit!" at all the decreasing radius right turn dumps I've ever been in! "They were all.....Right Turns!"

  • From personal experience, lane filtering is a life saver, i did it all the time in EU, when i lived there, and line splitting is, well, sometimes fine but for the most part, a risk as car drivers are equally blind towards bikes in every part of the world. It would be very nice if Canada finally made lane filtering legal, i wouldn't ask for more than that.

  • We just passed a law making lane filtering legal in Montana.