Motorcycle Riders - You're Leaning the Wrong Way

Publisert 12. sep.. 2021
Ever notice that police motorcyclists lean their bodies *away* from a turn? They're trained to. But why might this uncommon body position be helpful for our motorbikes?

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  • Counter leaning came to me naturally. Have been struggling to get regular leaning right. Glad that i am doing it right unknowingly

  • And you get thrown of the bike doing it slitghly wrong. Gt bikes put the knee down thats why they lean so far

  • 10/10 video for the awesome and well organized information, editing, video quality, soundtrack, and even drawings for the visual learners. But what got the ten from me was the Wilhelm scream😂

  • I agree with everything except allow the corners to determine which way I lean. If I were a cop chasing someone on twisty mountain roads, I'd be leaning as a road racer would.

  • The foot rest on my Honda CM250 have grind marks on them from hard cornering. The reason police cars cannot catch a motorcycle in a chase is because they lose ground or wipe out in the curves.

  • I'm not a rider, I only ride occasionally on my dad's cross in the farm, just to get some job done. And I already determined that counter-leaning was the right thing to do waaay back when I learned to ride when I was, like, 12. Come on, it's pretty obvious.

  • But if you lean more than you should and start losing the bike while counter balancing, you won't be able to use your leg to keep it from falling.

  • Every time, and I mean every time, I counter lean, my rear tire steps out. And I DON’T like IT.

  • So Yesterday I watched this video and today I fell down for the first time while leaning............ i slipped on oil.

  • “my view is only left, like vox” 😂

  • GOODLUCK in applying it on road bikes going fast on corners!👎👎👎

  • Is it ok to lean and keep the bike upright if there is some obstacle that can't be avoided and you need to ride through it?

  • Hey F9 I know you won't read this, but I had wanted to get a motorcycle for the last year, started watching your channel, and you KLR 650 review and bought my first bike 2 days ago. 2014 KLR 650, 23,000km on it for $4000 Canadian Scoobies. I had never drove a motorbike before that time. Now I'm loving every minute of it, and now I'm learning to be safe on it from your videos. Thank you so much man! You are inspiring new riders and training them all in such polished videos, we new riders are truly spoiled.

  • Bro' the level of cheeky banter in FortNine vid's is A1!

  • Meanwhile, Ryan leans into corners. E.g. nowine.info/loft/s3-HfK6wa6marJg/video

  • I really like your content. You’re very funny.

  • This is like listening to Michael Pollan or Paul Stamets explain psychedelic experiences we've all shared but couldn't explain

  • I counter lean and counter steer. It's just the way I like to ride. leaning into a curve makes me feel like I'm going to lowside the bike where as a counter lean feels more controlled for me.

  • I hope many , if not all, new riders watches this video to understand basic prinsipals. I ride a scooter, no matter the wight distribution problems of the scooters, i actually practice those tecnics and a lot of my fellow motorcycle friends they either don't understand why or think of leaning as the only true way. I actually started from a bicycle, you learn a lot driving eratic in highly contested cities!!!

  • MM93 is the most skilled rider!!! I totally agree!!!

  • Very interesting, thank you for this ✌🏼

    • Thank you! I have always felt so much more comfortable slightly counter leaning through the turns at the speed limit on the street but have forced myself to, not lean way out , but greatly bias my weight to the inside of the turn. I can’t wait to ride again and do it MY way (a.k.a. the right way for the street). The discussion this video kicked off with Motojitsu and MC Rider has also been really interesting. Great, great, great job Ryan!

  • Like vox 🤣

  • In general, most people naturally will counterweight the bike, as we're used to being upright in life. The reason most courses teach people to lean into the turn is to reduce lean angle, giving more traction and less likelihood of a slide. It's a tool that all riders should have, but very few do out on the road. Counterweighting at road speed makes your bike lean more and makes you more likely to slide, which I think will cause more novice riders to crash when it happens. Everything is a variable, so saying one way is best is always wrong.

  • Tbh i learned counter leaning on impluse Amazing i m proud of myself

  • Love the American politics jokes.

  • in the Netherlands they learn you to counterlean during your training! and you need to use in in your exams to get your license

  • Huh. I always felt counter leaning worked better than leaning with the bike. Lol just felt natural

  • Can I know which editing software u use and how u create the lines over videos

    • The amount of reactions and video responses to this video from other youtubers is pretty amazing! It goes to show how good Ryan and FortNine develop their content! Good job!

  • What a complete and total waste of time this was, so what you're saying is it depends on grip levels, entry and corner speed as to whether you counter lean, stay neutral or lean into the corner ? Well fucken DUH !!

  • Haven't laughed that much when learning something in a while 🤣

  • Thanks. I'll definitely try this

  • 🤗 👍 ☝️ 😎 🇵🇭 Niceone

  • Good acescent with good teaching

  • It was so counter intuitive to me leaning on the opposite side when I first started zoomin on me bicycle haha

  • The guy who hit Bambi didn't even have a finger on the brake lever. How are these guys ride is beyond me. Notice that his right hand didn't even flinch when the deer popped.

  • Great video!

  • I like to point to an error in your logic. the counter lean is not as effective as you state because, yes there is the gravety force pushing the sheel in the ground but there is alos the centrifugal force pulling that same, heavy body outward, lifting up the bike. I have made the maths and there is a 21% difference between lean and counter lean

  • Nodding my head without understanding anything.

  • I love this community ahaha its so split up. Personally I lean with my upper body into the corner to reduce lean angle. But I learned a lot from this video and will probably use your method in slow turns or tight ones. I still think that both ways are accurate. Just don't be that dude that just seats on his bike and doesn't move his body.

  • Ryan could you please test Torc T1 helmet?

    • Thank you! I have always felt so much more comfortable slightly counter leaning through the turns at the speed limit on the street but have forced myself to, not lean way out , but greatly bias my weight to the inside of the turn. I can’t wait to ride again and do it MY way (a.k.a. the right way for the street). The discussion this video kicked off with Motojitsu and MC Rider has also been really interesting. Great, great, great job Ryan!

  • I'm more comfortable when counter leaning then leaning Maybe because my bike isn't a sporty one at all lul

  • This might be his most comidically timed video yet.

  • Very good video

    • The way I was taught to corner on dirt was to visualize putting your weight over the contact patch of the tire when on a slippery or loose surface so there is extra force straight down onto where your tire is actually biting . I immediately felt more comfortable on the twisty gravel roads after having it explained like that.

  • It depends on the bike form factor

  • Learning both is best.

  • Wish we could upvote your videos more than one time.

  • Go ride some downhill bike down bike park. You will get all this principles very quick and natural.

  • Great video! Makes total sense!

  • Have started doing this on tighter/blind corners...what a game changer!! Thanks Ryan, from NZ :)

  • Nice voice! It doesn't look like it matches the owner though. Lol.

  • Bro.. I'm riding for 18y, with this video you change my life. Don't stop! Good luck from Italy!

  • Am I the only one who stayed only for that sick background score?

  • Great subject, decent explanation, shakey use of force-body diagrams

  • Ryan, everything ok big guy, no videos for a while.

  • If you had an accident because of a bad lean, then don't do that. That's my simple tips on how to lean safe

    • love it. You just stirred up the pot! now every moto youtuber is putting their 10 cents in your content. Keep up the great work guys, you are #1 for a reason...

  • I watched your channel when you had like 300k subscription and look at you now 🙂✌ very good! Awesome video thank you!

  • you've got my baby's face but my father's voice

  • You said "poutine" right! Congratulation!👌🏼

  • i want more content like this. stop selling shit

  • only way to learn to ride is in the woods. grew up on bikes and 32 now. not fuckin scared of anything lol. just expect other motorist never see you and you will survive. i treat everyone as a threat in a car when i am on the bike. see car with someone behind the wheel like a gun, u have to respect it cause it can kill you in the wrong hands. maybe they are tired that day etc.. i have flat sided 2 sets of tires in 3 years front and back. no cuts etc tho. u wanna really learn to ride? do slow technical riding. there is nothing harder and i do it a 2008 klr 650 lol not exactly a lightweight but i rock climb etc with it. watch some graham jarvis technical riding vids to get what i mean. anyone can drive on the highway. that old man shit lol. do 150km/h thru the woods for 20 years and i'm still here

  • america need this channel in spanish urgent.

  • Очень интересно, но ничего не понятно. Пс, можно на Русском?

  • nowine.info/loft/cqmujnrPZbVto2E/video U should learn some motogymkhana skills .. theory is theory

  • I'm into some serious RF9 deprivation ... and there's only one cure ... more video's !!

  • Who else knows that when it's been a month since Ryan's last video- the next one is gonna be killer?

  • Good one. I will no longer scold myself for counter leaning - instead it’s a healthy instinct.

  • Very, very, very good and explanatory video! Congratulations!

    • This man makes physics sooo interesting.....if you were my physics teacher with this vibe back in high school...i defo take physics as a major

  • Nice vid!

  • I'm just leaving a comment in order to make the video more algorithm friendly. Ryan has to become the most followed youtuber!

    • I've always been counter leaning when i was doing long distance driving. I always thought it was wrong but this video showed me it was alright. Always felt weird that i was doing it differently than everybody else but i always get more balance in corners when i counter lean

  • Just tried this. It feels gross.

  • To be honest regular riders on the street can just stay neutral

  • Counter leans just feels right, I guess it's just mental and body instinct telling me I don't wanna fall. That instinct came naturally when I rode my first bike.

  • I do that when I was child when I'm riding my bike, I don't have Idea but in my feels it's easier to turn that way

  • Is Ryan alive? It’s been a minute. 🤔

  • Moto GP racers completely disagree with you Just watch ANY (modern) motorcycle racing video and they all lean towards the ground

  • It been a month since this vid came out already? Damn, time goes fast

  • What’s his obsession with genitalia??

    • The way I was taught to corner on dirt was to visualize putting your weight over the contact patch of the tire when on a slippery or loose surface so there is extra force straight down onto where your tire is actually biting . I immediately felt more comfortable on the twisty gravel roads after having it explained like that.

  • What happened with channel, no videos for last month

  • You're not completely wrong, but you failed to mention the most important parameter in how to lean: speed. At low speeds, doing tricky turns and alike counterleaning is the way to go, providing you the better control. At high speeds however you lean into the turn. Period. It provides you better grip, higher cornering speed and/or more 'spare room' to cope with unforeseen road conditions or progressive corners. Marc Marquez us not an idiot. Your clickbate suggestion that counterleaning is the only good way to do a corner is stupid and dangerous.

  • Counterleaning maybe more effective and efficient at low speed and has a few advantages in terms of vision around obstructed corners. Yet u will run into more problems, in case u for example underestimate tight corners. And in most cases, when u realize u cant make the turn normaly, u cant just quickly switch from counterleaning to hang off as u risk stability while switching plus risk losing grip and maybe even end up in a highsider. Also on racetracks its often better to take the lowside slide, than a huge highsider that throws u in the air and endangers other. This happens more often with counterleaning. it can save u from slides and u can control slides more often, but firstly slides arent efficent and secondly if ur unlucky and the tire rapidly gains grip again, ur done for. Your point about safer breaking whilst inclined with counterleaning, is overlooking an important fact. Higher counterleaning means more incline of the bike to do the same turn at the same speed. More incline in corners induces a higher risk of tiresliding while breaking, due to the zentrifugal force. If u do however still retain ur grip the bike will straighten depending on how hard u decelerate and since ur already overleaning out of the corner, it can even throw u off the street, as u also showed in one of ur clips. So in my opinion its not save to say that breaking with counterleaning is better/safer under the same conditions. Its not that i would say hangoff is safer while breaking. I think a straight position on the bike will do the best job. Also the question if a street bike is faster in a straight line or in a curve, has little to do with counterleaning, hang off or any position on the bike. Ofc u will be faster on straights than on corners, but there is no conection to the lean angle. In corners hangoff can and will achieve the highest speeds and on straights obviously a tugged in central position will be victorious. Im not trying to prove u wrong, yet i do think that u are mixing up things and facts and defy a lot of ur explanations this way.

    • @P!nned by FortNine I didnt mean to offend or call u out on smth its just what i was taught by trackinstructors and what experienced over the years on track and on normal streets. I rlly like ur videos tho. Keep up the great work.

    • Thanks~~~~

  • You had noob in your name ,now your an expert ?

  • Marc Marquez is the best skilled rider! OMG

  • Need new content!

  • is it better to lean more while cornering? please reply😄

    • I've always been counter leaning when i was doing long distance driving. I always thought it was wrong but this video showed me it was alright. Always felt weird that i was doing it differently than everybody else but i always get more balance in corners when i counter lean

    • Thanks~~~~

  • Actually "DENSITY" causes tire to tend to go down 👇. There is no Gravity. Tell me why a Helium Balloon rises? It's LESS DENSE than the surrounding air. Density/Buoyancy DESCRIBE IT ALL!

  • Selective facts. Bikes are designed to work with different riding style physics. This is why sports bikes have different turning positions to supermotos. You demonstrate a sharp turn on dirt. Why? Because you couldn’t pull that off on the street easily at all. I hope people don’t try counter learning into a sharp turn on the road at speed due to this video. When they throw themselves off the bike they’ll come after you legally.

  • Before even getting one minute in I can already tell you why the leans are different and it has to do with center of mass and center of gravity. Anyone who rides both a dirt bike and street bike could tell you this.

    • 1:10 - "physics is like politics puts real effort to fight imaginary forces" 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣👍 Hilarious 🤣

    • Thanks~~~~

  • I found this channel and binge-watched every episode in just a few days... I'm going to need you to step up the production rate ALOT but also lose none of the production value... K thnx bye

  • Im surprised because the way I lean is you say right. We can't lean like MotoGP in everyday life on everyday road.

  • So the real answer is it depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

  • Suppose you find you've entered a turn too fast. What's your best chance of riding it out, all else being equal?

  • I came to watch motorcycles... I leave with my physics test answers..😎🤣

  • This is amazing 🔥💖👍

  • Not much you can say the boys done good, AGAIN keep up the great work.

  • Counter leaning beginner cruiser rider. Haven't dumped the bike (yet) and can confirm counter leaning is mostly why.

  • I was thought to look where you want to lean, learned a new riding skill today

  • nowine.info/loft/r3qlrZPIoJmNf4I/video Kawasaki Zx6r 2002!!

  • Awfully quiet north of the border, no new videos in a month.... everything ok up there? :)

  • I came here to learn how to lean properly.. I ended up learning physics..much better than I learned in my classes. 😯😯